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coffeebean216's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.5
Graphic: Animal death, Death, Gore, Toxic relationship, Violence, Blood, Kidnapping, Murder, Injury/Injury detail, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Moderate: Physical abuse, Suicidal thoughts, Torture, Death of parent, Pregnancy, Fire/Fire injury, Alcohol, and Colonisation
Minor: Sexual harassment
cottonmanifesto's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
Graphic: Animal death, Confinement, Death, Gore, Physical abuse, Violence, Blood, Grief, and Pregnancy
fionamclary's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.5
However, Ammonite didn't really work for me as a sci-fi. The world felt far too Earthlike, and I often found myself forgetting that we were supposed to be on an alien planet in a universe where Earth also exists. Maybe Becky Chambers is too high of a bar for sci-fi worldbuilding, but if so then I am spoiled. I guess it's okay for the environment to be Earthlike since this is supposed to be a place habitable to humans, but I was frustrated with all the native life of the planet falling exactly into Earth taxonomic categories. The supposed futuristic technology felt dated, although maybe in 30 years, so will the tech of the great sci-fi authors of today. Also, why the Mirrors don't gain the additional sensory abilities that come with the virus after surviving it seemed like a moderately-sized plot hole to me. The whole espionage subplot was way underdeveloped; the final reveal was too predictable and also boring with little impact.
I'm glad to have read the debut of one of my favorite authors, but my expectations were let down in many ways. Menewood is still on my TBR (after a re-read of Hild since it's been 8 years) and I'm still excited.
Graphic: Animal death, Gore, Violence, and Xenophobia
Moderate: Confinement, Death, Genocide, Blood, Excrement, Vomit, Religious bigotry, Death of parent, Pregnancy, Colonisation, and Injury/Injury detail
Minor: Sexual content, Suicidal thoughts, Medical content, Schizophrenia/Psychosis , and Alcohol
mar's review
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? It's complicated
4.5
Graphic: Animal death, Confinement, Kidnapping, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Moderate: Death, Gore, Violence, Blood, Medical content, Death of parent, Murder, and Pregnancy
Minor: Sexual content, Suicidal thoughts, and Torture
eleanora's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.0
Graphic: Animal death, Violence, Blood, and Injury/Injury detail
Moderate: Medical content, Kidnapping, and Pregnancy
Minor: Death, Death of parent, and Murder
lanid's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
4.75
Moderate: Animal death, Body horror, Confinement, Death, Gore, Physical abuse, Violence, Blood, Kidnapping, and Murder
Minor: Sexual content, Torture, Xenophobia, and Pregnancy
tangleroot_eli's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- As others have said, this book suffers from major pacing issues. I called it "medium-paced" because some parts are so fast and gripping I couldn't put the book down, while others plod along so slowly that I couldn't pick it up. I appreciate writers who can write a variety of speeds, but in Ammonite it was an impediment.
- Maybe this is just a personal problem, but I struggled to look at this book through the lens of its own time and not think about what we know now. Ammonite comes from the late '80s/early '90s school of feminist scifi, where writing women who were actual, fully developed characters was somewhat shocking. These days, a lot of things don't hold up well. What does the virus do to trans and nonbinary folks? Griffith is arguing that a world without men would be exactly the same as a world with them, but would the women of Jeep be "just like men" if they'd never experienced patriarchy and toxic masculinity?
- As always, I should not read author's notes. Griffith's note for Ammonite is a contradictory mess that goes something like, "Women aren't just like men! We're just like men!" Save yourself the heartache; stick with just reading the book.
Graphic: Animal cruelty, Animal death, Death, Terminal illness, Violence, Xenophobia, Kidnapping, Death of parent, Colonisation, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Moderate: Mental illness, Sexual content, Suicidal thoughts, Torture, Excrement, Medical content, Grief, Pregnancy, Cultural appropriation, Gaslighting, Alcohol, and War
Minor: Genocide, Suicide, Murder, Fire/Fire injury, and Abandonment
rhymeswithnova's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? Yes
- Diverse cast of characters? Yes
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
Graphic: Terminal illness, Xenophobia, Kidnapping, Grief, Murder, Injury/Injury detail, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Moderate: Animal cruelty, Animal death, Death, Gore, Physical abuse, Violence, Blood, Excrement, Medical content, Religious bigotry, and Fire/Fire injury
Minor: Child death, Confinement, Mental illness, Sexual content, Toxic relationship, and Pregnancy
talonsontypewriters's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? A mix
- Strong character development? Yes
- Loveable characters? It's complicated
- Diverse cast of characters? It's complicated
- Flaws of characters a main focus? No
3.5
Graphic: Animal death, Death, Gore, Violence, Medical content, Injury/Injury detail, and Pandemic/Epidemic
Moderate: Confinement, Sexual content, Torture, Kidnapping, Grief, Death of parent, Murder, Pregnancy, and Colonisation
Minor: Suicide, Excrement, Abortion, and Alcohol
barry_x's review against another edition
- Plot- or character-driven? Character
- Strong character development? It's complicated
- Loveable characters? No
- Diverse cast of characters? No
- Flaws of characters a main focus? Yes
3.0
'Ammonite' is hailed by some as a feminist classic. It is set on a world initially colonised by humans where a virus eliminates all males. The planet is abandoned and the inhabitants forgotten about (who in the meantime have learnt how to reproduce). Generations later, corporate interests reinvestigate the planet and attempt to colonise again with a quasi corporate defence contractor sent to set up base on the planet with a view to seeing if the planet can be exploited again. The story begins with an anthropologist sent to the planet to learn more about the (now considered) indigenous population and also to test a vaccine against the virus on the planet. The implications being that if the vaccine is successful the planet can be recolonised (and I assume, men, representing corporate interests can take over).
Most of the reviews and commentary will focus on the absence of men on the planet. Griffith wrote this book in response to the treatment of women in science fiction as largely subservient to men, or as little more than sexual objects framed as titillation. She also addressed the canon of 'women only planets' in science fiction as either being pacifist utopias (she mentions vegetarianism more than once in her critique which bugged me to be honest) or warlike Amazonian type figures. I've seen the tropes and I think I know where she is coming from, even if I have not directly read any of the fiction she is alluding to.
Her aim with this book is to show women not as homogeneous or as a caricature of 'gentle peace loving maidens' or some kind of dominant war tribe but more like, 'in a society where men did not exist we would have the whole range of human emotions, behaviours and outlooks'. I think she is saying women are just as likely to have the range of political and social views we have now. In short I agree with her, I am not sure gender has ever disposed us to political viewpoints but I do wonder if when we consider the impacts of patriarchy, that much of that 'range' of opinion comes from hundreds of years of gender based oppression in the West. In some ways what 'Ammonite' says is, 'if patriarchy did not exist' then we would experience little different in terms of the breadth of outlooks.
I guess that is what makes the book a little confused also, because in some ways the book does fall into some simplistic tropes when it considers the different tribes that live on the planet. There are warlike 'norse' / 'celt' type tribes in the frozen North, there is a vague coastal economy with some kind of currency, and of course we have the short sighted, insular off world colonists, but most of the tribes seem very similar and there is little to differentiate from them.
What I find interesting about most of these tribes is that they tend to be pastoral, they all tend to work to principles of mutual aid within social or family units and between tribes. I haven't read any reviews referring to this as anarchic in outlook but it is definitely there. They have clear dispute mechanics in the absence of law and there is little suggestion there is private property or wage slavery. If I was being critical I would suggest this book has both the tropes Griffiths said she wanted to avoid with this and the (dare I say Bolshevik) war like Northern tribes! I would also say that whilst wanting to avoid the tropes of utopia there is a very strong Gaia theme throughout (I mean come on the planet eliminates men who would exploit them upon landing!).
I am being really wary of getting into spoiler territory but the setting is possibly the most interesting thing about the book. As I mentioned, I was interested in the crafting and depiction of the tribes on the planet. I also think since this book is pitched as 'no men', Griffith succeeds in making that notion almost invisible. One never notices the absence of male characters. Because of that I am not sure there is much of a feminist critique here and that may disappoint some. What I did like, and what I think is a key theme of the book is the impact of colonisation, and how a planet can defend itself. It's clearly there and it's what I liked best - we think we are reading a book about one thing but it is really about much more.
I do have some criticisms however, despite the themes. The pacing is off, the book took such a while to get interesting and I felt it was a slog to get through at times. It picked up in the last half to last third but even at the end it felt like there was a chapter or so tacked on that wasn't needed. In terms of story, there really wasn't much going on at all. Much of the book was the main character basically doing stupid things or travelling around. Finally I didn't care for the characters at all - the main character feels quite unsympathetic throughout and whilst there is a long cast of tribes people and colonisers only a couple of the characters stick out as being indistinguishable from the rest. Certain plot points feel too easily pulled together to the point I felt I didn't care.
Some good ideas in here, but not a book I particularly enjoyed or I could recommend.
Minor: Animal death, Confinement, Death, Violence, Murder, Pregnancy, Colonisation, and War